Q: Good Morning and welcome back to Good Morning Sri Lanka and
you are here with me Harit, on the 13th of December. As I was saying
we have a very interesting interview lined up. We have here with us, we are
honoured to be in the presence of His Holiness Younus AlGohar, who is the CEO
of Kalki Avatar Foundation International. Welcome Sir, to Good Morning Sri
Lanka.
A: Thank you very much.
Q: Sir, I ask you first to let us know what is Kalki Avatar
Foundation?
A: Kalki Avatar Foundation is a spiritual
organization, and it is like a multi-faith organization which caters for the
needs, the spiritual needs for all humanity regardless of their religious
background. And we talk about spiritual nourishment and growth; we provide
knowledge and practical approach and Divine methodology. It has nothing to do
with religion; it is purely based on spiritual sciences; how to enlighten and
how to revive the souls and the spirits and how to become a spiritual person,
connected with the other world at the same time living a very social and economical
life while in this world.
Q: It is interesting, sir, you connect a spiritual life with
the social and economic lives as well as the practicalities of the world. Now
it is a fantastic thing you said, sir, that it’s a multi-faith based
spiritualism. Now, when I talk about faith, sir, what is faith? There are so
many religions in the world, what is exactly a religion in this world?
A: Yes, you are right. There are so many
religions in this world and so many faiths. Some religions are celestial
religions. When I say celestial religions, it means they were established by
prophets and those prophets received revelations from God. So, we call the
celestial religions and some other religions man-made religions. The basic
theory of a religion is to worship a Supreme Being and seek for help and there
is also a concept of hell and heaven. All three Abrahamic faiths: Christianity,
Judaism and Islam, and Sanatan Dharma, Hinduism also. So, religion is basically
to control yourself, your desires and discipline it according to the Divine
Revelation, to the Divine Law, that’s all the religion is about.
Q: Would I be correct to say sir that all religions ask of
human beings is to live a good life on earth? Would that be correct to say?
A: Of course, that would be correct to say. All
religions direct us to do good.
Q: In your spiritual practice sir, I understand that
unconditional love is one of the main foundations. Can you elaborate a little
on this?
A: Unconditional Love, Divine Love. It has nothing
to do with the religion because practicing a religion we are always aiming for
good life hereafter, going to the paradise, so we have a target, we have an
aim. So, we are being good for a reason and we are loving God for a reason. We
are becoming good for a reason. I don’t think this is sincere form of love. I don’t
think this is unconditional love. Unconditional love has no conditions at all.
Q: I see.
A: You just love somebody, whether it’s a human
being or it’s God. If you love God for the sake of loving God that will be
unconditional love. However, adopting a lovable lifestyle in order to be able
to enter paradise or in order to have a good life after, that is conditional
love to my understanding.
Q: It’s a very interesting interpretation there. Of course, we
will go on to discuss about practically, whether you can in fact be a human
being and unconditionally love even your enemy. We will discuss that, but
before we go on that side I want to discuss about what has happened to
humanity. We see every day there are wars, people are dying. People are killing
each other. People hate each other. Every day we see enmity, hate, disease; there
is so much trouble in this world. What has happened to humanity? Where is
spiritualism?
A: Humanity is suffering from the corruption
which has now taken place in religions. When the religion is corrupted then
humanity suffers and this is exactly what’s happening today.
Q: Why would you say, sir, that religions have corrupt? Is it
because man has become, or they thought that they are above the Gods? Is it
because they think that they don’t need a God, they are too smart, too
economic, too much knowledge? What do you think is the reason for them to not
follow religion, to corrupt religion?
A: It’s not about people thinking they are
better than God or they are greater than God, or that they do not need God.
It’s to do with the modification in the Divine text, in the revelation. People
who are responsible for carrying out the religion duties, who educate their
respective nations about their religion, they are responsible for bringing that
corruption into the revelation of God. When the Divine text received by the
prophets and messengers in corrupted then you cannot find God even if you
practice that religion really hard. And this is one of the reasons why we have
extremism and fanaticism in the religion today. Not being able to understand
the meaning of the Divine text having a wrong interpretation of the religion
will lead one to become a fanatic or an extremist.
Q: Does it mean, sir, that everyone has misunderstood or is
every religion corrupt, or is every person practicing religion corrupt, or is
there a sect of the world which is corrupt? Would you say we have lost it
completely?
A: Actually, it is very profound and one has to
be very keenly observing into the religious probe. For example, the religion
consists of two main types of knowledge; knowledge of the exterior, what we read
in the book and then number two, which is more important than this is the
spiritual connection with God. When you are spiritually connected with God, you
receive the Divine messages, and you can then see the same thing in the Holy
Bible, in the Holy Quran, or in any other religious book. You don’t go wrong.
We do have religions, we do have practices, we do have worship places today,
what we do not have today is the Divine Link. We are not connected with God.
This is why there is so much misunderstanding about things. When the connection
with God was lost, Muslims became bad, Christians became bad, Hindus became
bad, but those who are spiritually connected they are good Muslims, they are
good Hindus, they are good Christians.
Q: Right, so then we understand that the world is not at the
end, I mean we do have people who have,
A: There are some people.
Q: there are, but then there is a corrupt sect as well. Sir, I
would ask you, what is your opinion on atheism, then, those that believe there
is no God.
A: I think that would be really unscientific to
say that there is no God. That would be really unscientific, unrealistic.
Q: Right sir, I find it really interesting you say it is
unscientific, because I would say, God is based on faith and not on fact. So,
would you?
A: What I understand, God doesn’t only give us
faith, but he is not based on faith. He is based on facts; there has to be a
creator for the creation to be created. Nothing comes into being without
anybody bringing it into being.
Q: I see. Fantastic, fascinating interview we are having at
this moment. Now, sir, tell us a little about spiritualism. How can
spiritualism help solve these problems in this world?
A: I understand, in the light of spirituality,
that we become good and bad not because of our body. There is some hidden
source, there is some hidden power; positive, and negative. Some people call
the positive power the presence of God, and the negative power the presence of
Devil. It is controlled, remotely controlled, by the negative powerhouse and
the positive powerhouse. This body itself is not capable of doing anything
wrong or right. Spirituality provides a reason and a practical approach towards
reviving that positive nature that we have inside our body, that soul, that
spirit. And the negative presence in our body makes us do wrong things. There
was a time when spirituality was part of religions. When people shunned the
practice of spirituality in religions, religions became incapable of catering
the spiritual needs of its followers. It was part of the religion, now because
the practice of spirituality was shunned by people, therefore, people are
distancing themselves from religion, from God. We are trying hard to raise the
awareness of the importance and significance of spirituality in all religions
of the world all around the world and the important factor in human life today
of spirituality is that with the help of spirituality we can bring a very
positive change in one’s character. It is all about the characteristics. God is
very good, we need to bring in ourselves the characteristics of God and that
has to do with enlightenment. Like Lord Buddha, he found positive nature in
him, he diminished negative nature and he uplifted the positive nature. This is
exactly what spirituality is all about, to revive the positive nature and bring
in positive characteristics and getting rid of the negativity in our body.
Q: Let me ask you this also, sir, now in the current world, we
do have other methods also that people say there are ways of living a positive
life. For example, this Art of Feng Shui, how you have a living space where
they say the positive energies can be channeled and there are various things
like Yoga where you can get its positive energy. Are those also part of
spirituality?
A: Yoga is a form of exercise, it gives you
piece of mind, gives you relaxation, but it does not connect you with God. It
can give you some good, positive things in life. You will feel better
physically.
Q: I would say that you just said that they make your body,
the physical element positive and not necessarily the mind, the spirit. I see.
Now, that would suggest, sir, that the mind and the body are totally two
different concepts. Are they separate?
A: What I understand is that a body is just a
vehicle, and the mind which is, of course, controlled by those two presences in
the body, positive and negative, that’s the main driver who drives the vehicle.
Q: Now, in general, sir, there are things that we believe are
physically impossible for us to do, through spiritualism, is it possible for us
to do even those things that we cannot do? For example, levitate. We have heard
of people who levitate, we have heard of people who've special powers. Is that
through spiritualism?
A: I would like to say here, that spirituality
is not about doing things,
Q: Special things?
A: it’s not about doing things that people will think,
oh no, this is not humanly possible. Spirituality is about enlightening your
inner dimension and getting connected with God, and of course, when somebody is
connected with God, God then gives them Divine Powers. But, those Divine Powers
are given to certain people, in order to bring goodness to human life, not for
an individual’s personal pleasure.
Q: I see. Now, sir, if I ask you for advice to a general
person, like me, how do I live a better spiritual life, in general, in
practice? How would you advice someone to be more spiritual?
A: In order to be spiritual, we need to start
enlightening our souls. There are special mantras and with the practice of the mantras,
bringing that thing in; through meditation, and with the help of meditation we
bring in the Divine Light and that Divine Light will enlighten our souls. The
more Divine Energy enters in our spirits, the more spiritual we will become and
the effect of that spiritual practice will show in your mind, in your body, in
your thought-process as well.
Q: I see. Now in practice, we talk about Divine Love,
Unconditional love and spirit, if we are spiritually enlightened, for example,
can I love my enemy? Is it possible sir, as a human we are physically made to hate,
we hate some people, but through spiritual enlightenment is it possible, sir,
to even love your enemy?
A: Well, what I have been told and what I have
been trained: Love is something which is not by choice, it happens, and of
course you cannot love your enemy. It would be too fake to say it, that I can
practice and I can discipline my emotions and I can love my enemy. That is not
possible. I can safely say that people that want to love God they don’t manage
to love God let alone loving their enemies.
Q: It happens.
A: It happens. There is a spiritual chemistry
that takes places.
Q: Right. And it is through this process of being more
spiritual or enlightened in spirit is how you happen to love your enemy.
A: It has to do with the souls, the souls who
used to live together in the primordial time before coming into this world. If
they were together, upon their entry into this world, they fall in love with
each other and that is unconditional love. You cannot love anybody with your
own efforts, with your own choice.
Q: Now, sir, if I ask you, for example, say now I have
something bad to say to someone, I don’t like him, but if I restrain myself, I
say, no, I should not say it, is that getting towards the spiritual life? I am
stopping my instincts, but, it is for better spirituality. Is that what the
message is about?
A: It’s very good. If you hate somebody and you
think you are better off not telling that person you hate them, it’s good, but
it’s not spirituality. You are trying to refrain yourself from creating a point
of mischief. You are saving yourself from something you are not putting
yourself in danger of,
Q: It is more of personal interest rather than a spiritual
interest. I want to come to discuss a little bit about the healing process in
spirituality. How does healing and spirituality connect, sir?
A: Healing has to do with spirituality very
profoundly. Every organ in our body has a special form of energy and when that
energy is lost, due to any reason that energy has to be replaced. Now, either
we replace that energy which is found in many herbs, many fruits, in many
things. And doctors, traditional doctors who know the knowledge of this, they
make medicines of this. We take the medicines, the lost energy is replaced and
you get well soon and with the help of spirituality, when your heart is
enlightened, when your soul is enlightened, it becomes a powerhouse of all
sorts of Divine Energy. Then, you blow upon them and the energy is released
from your heart and this is how people get their lost energy and they are
healed.
Q: It is true sir, because a lot of people say if you have a pleasant
environment, if you be positive to a patient, he heals much better, whereas if
you be negative, he don’t heal. So, I understand that there is definitely a
connection. I also want to come to your objective, sir, of creating a global
community. One community in the world, sir, firstly, why do you want to achieve
this and secondly, is this possible in this world?
A: Well, it is possible: When Adam was sent into
this world, the whole humanity was One Nation and towards the end, it has to
become one again, united. And that will only happen when the hearts of humanity
are unified with Divine Love. When all begin to love God, no matter what
religion they practice. When their hearts are enlightened and controlled and
disciplined by one God. There are many names given to God, he is one; whether
it is Raam, Krishna, God, Allah, Bhagwan or Jehovah, there are so many names
given to God, but he is the one. When all the hearts are unified, we will
forget, we are from Pakistan, you are from Sri Lanka, he is from Israel, he is
from India, he is from America because the hearts are enlightened and we love
the same God. That will only happen when the hearts are enlightened and
unified.
Q: Now, as a final question, sir, what I want to ask you, I
understand, that this is possible that the love within people and for God and
this enlightened society, one world, is a possible thing, and your final
message to those of them listening out there what should they do to come to
this level as people?
A: God has given the images of the Awaited One,
on the surface of the Moon, on the Holy Black Stone, on the Sun and my piece of
advice for humanity is when the Moon rises from the east, look at the Moon and
look at the human profile on the Moon. And then, in whatever language you speak,
or whatever religion you practice, say the name of God three times and you will
receive Divine Energy from that human profile from the moon. And that human
profile belongs to Lord Ra Riaz Gohar Shahi who is the Awaited One. People have
to do it and see how it helps them, in their day-to-day life, in their
spiritual life and their religious life.
Q: Thank you very much, sir, for this enlightening morning and
I am sure our viewers would have also understood the value of being spiritual
in this world. We have our busy lives, we have our work, we have our friends,
we have our family, but, we do forget that there is someone above and there is
a level of spirituality, that all of us need some spirituality at the end of
the day. Thank you indeed, sir, for this wonderful interview.
A: Thank you.
